http://indianmuslimnotes.blogspot.com/2010/11/human-delusion.html

You said: “I was disappointed to find out that his response was that science will figure it out one day. ”

Science can be flawed – didn’t science of the past civilizations teach the earth was flat? (according to observable data and unanimous evidence) which was them abrogated by ‘science of the present’ that now has discovered it is a globe!

Science will NEVER find out about the ’cause’ of the universe. However, it is is fully equipped to find out the processes that happen within it, read why I say so…

I have heard Atheists such Richard Dawkins and Peter Atkins et al make emphatic claims for ‘science’ being the be all and end all of ‘knowledge’. They think it is the pinnacle of knowledge but they are deluded. A lover gets deluded with his beloved!

The problem with the Atheist and Atheism is that they seem to be brainwashed into accepting that SCIENCE as a ‘methodology’ or ‘branch of knowledge’ is the only avenue to arrive at a sound conclusion, or ‘truth’.

Can science prove William Shakespeare existed? Or closer to home, Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, whose theory Atheists have whole-heartedly adopted as an article of faith, by which they claim to proof that a God, or Designer, does not exist? Scientific methodology (empiricism) cannot answer this, as it lies outside its scope and boundaries! The methodology of ‘knowing’ these people, who you do not see, cannot see, and never will see, can only be through the branch of knowledge called HISTORY. You will apply certain processes and principles, to arrive at a conclusion ,to determine whether they existed or not.

Similarly, ask somebody to proof do NUMBERS exist. Get them to use scientific empiricism as the sole methodology; you will give them mental shock waves. You do not see numbers, nor feel numbers, nor hear numbers, nor taste numbers nor smell them (they cannot be detected by our senses)! Numbers simply exist in our minds as abstract non-physical entities and literally nonsensical (i.e. senses cannot detect them, only understood in the mind) The branch of knowledge that can answer this, is called MATHEMATICS.

To cut this long story short, I bring to you two other branches of knowledge: PHILOSOPHY and THEOLOGY, The former can proof that there is a ‘Creator’, the latter can dig deeper and actually pinpoint and label WHO/WHAT the creator is, God!

To really deliver the knockout blow, ask Mr. Atheist if he lived before the era of Darwin’s ‘holy grail of evolution’ – which theory or ‘scientific process of the day’ would he have believed in, as the cause of our existence (or to be precise, the process that brought about our existence) ? Atheist always use a ‘process’ in reality to try to explain the cause, thus shooting themselves in the foot. They never answer what caused the process! For e.g. chance, coincidence, time, eternity and now evolution (micro and macro – not going to discuss, as it is way beyond scope of this topic) These are processes in reality or conjectured processes. The crux of it is, they do not follow rationality and simple logic – design implies designer… we can go on and on and on!

Another stain we have on the name of Muslims is ‘AMSA@york’ who are doing this lecture in Vari hall from 6 to 9pm, this thursday dec 7, I think we should go and do these kind of rational debates or ask questions to them. This could be an opportunity to show them the outside world…….

who is going with me?

Just yesterday I was listening to a lecture on Nociception- the perception of pain- and she mentioned how our bodies have an inbuilt ability to overcome or compensate for pain felt.
I thought ”Subhan Al Khaaliq” thinking to myself ”she must agree”. What she said next was ”We can say that perhaps evolution…” I sighed, looked down and started scribbling out of bewilderment. What I learned from these people is if you cant explain something,then they guess evolution has the answer.

So these sort of dialogues are important,to show them that their ideas about God may be the prevailing notion in the media and elsewhere,but that does not mean they are anywhere near the truth of the matter.